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WillyTrombone
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posted 05-15-2005 12:25 AM     Profile for WillyTrombone   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I want to buy a new car in the next 6-8 months but I can't find anything I'm really enthusiastic about about. I thought the Magnum/Charger/300C line was cool but after test driving, I'm not nearly as interested. The Hemi is sweet. It just wants to take off. But seeing as how they have no plans to release a model with a manual tranny or including the Hemi without a luxury interior, I can't really justify getting one. I think the Mini Cooper is really sweet, too, but by the time you add the upgrades for a good amount of power, it's up to like 26-27 grand. For that much, I would want something bigger than a FWD peoplewmover kind of car. What I really want is RWD, a stick, and a V8. And I don't like the mustang. I just don't, ok? the only other option is the GTO, and while its specs look cool, its body doesn't. And I haven't gotten to drive one yet, but I'm guessing the interior will simply be undersized. And it costs around 34,000.

So, I've been looking at bikes again. They cost far less and could probably be just as enjoyable as big V8. I was really impressed by the new Indian but they closed shop a couple years ago. The only kind of bike I'm interested in would be a cruiser. Something big, loud, and powerful. Anyone have any ideas what's good? I mean, there's the Harley V-Rod, Yamaha V-Max, Honda Rune, Triumph Rocket 3, Kawasaki Vulcan, and... anything else worth montioning? Those are the only newer ones I can think of. Or should start off with something older? I could probably find a decently priced fat boy or valkyrie to learn on. I just have two limits: It's gotta big (remember, I'm about 6'5, and heavy, so my ride would have to match that) and a reasonably powered cruiser. I mean, to learn on, it would probably be safer to have something with car-like acceleration but I'll eventually move on to more power anyway, so maybe I would be better off learning on a fast ride.

But anyway, of all of them that I've been looking at in the last few days, I think I'm most impressed by the triumph. It has a 2.3 liter I-4 (seriously, that's like a Viper's bore/stroke) putting out almost 150 horses. And it's pretty close in cost to a new fat boy. (and a hell of a lot easier to finance than any of the cars I'm even remotely interested in)

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posted 05-15-2005 01:01 AM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
How about something like this?
http://engadget.com/entry/1234000693040420/

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posted 05-15-2005 11:03 AM     Profile for Mad Max   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have a Magnum RT, the interior is far from what I would call luxury.

When it hit about 9400 miles the check engine light came on and, long story short, the car was in the dealership for about 10 days and I needed a new transmission control module and something else, a valve "thingie" (I forget). Quite a common problem I have since found out (my wife Googled it). Apart from that it's a sweet ride.

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posted 05-15-2005 12:43 PM     Profile for burble   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
dude, if you bought a rocket III, you'd be my god.

sexiest. bike. ever.

plus, you'd look totally bitchin' on one, you giant.

you still have the nova, btw?

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posted 05-15-2005 04:15 PM     Profile for WillyTrombone   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
burble - yep, still have the nova. Haven't driven it in a little over 2 1/2 year, though. I had a problem with the brakes, distributor, and cooling fan and I figured since I was headed off to a university, I'd take the (far more dependable) 92 duster. But now that I'm going to be done with school and moving back to OC, I'm thinking I'll convert the nova over to a dual 2-barrel throttle body fuel injection system, maybe put a flex fan in, and convert the e-brake to a hand-operated lever since the e-brake pedal just can't take the higher tension of having discs in the back. But before I do any of that, I would also have to re=plumb the rear brakes and double check the discs to see if they survived the great binding of '02. My dad's '97 F150 is coming to my posession, too, but unfortunately, its engine is dead. It ran dry on oil a couple years ago, trew two rods, and even after repair wasn't quite running right. It finally bit the big one in Feb, so my dad said he'd give me the truck and I'd just have to get an engine. It should be a pretty good deal. I'm thinking I'll find a nice crated 5.4 long block to replace the 4.6 in it. It's got the five speed stick and a 2.73 rear end -- pretty much the same gearing as a mustang -- so anything I can do to get a little more low end torque will really help the drivability.

Max - I gotcha, but when I say luxury, I mean things like leather seats and seat warmer and that shit. It's just extra added cost in my book. I'm sure there are some people who enjoy things like that, but I honestly doubt they've been a major selling point for most of the people interested in the new Hemi. It would be interesting to see what kind of numbers they would have if those items were left as options and the basline price were lowered. And if they would put a stick in it, I'm sure they ould dodge the gas guzzler tax. That's one thing I noticed with the GTO -- an automatic trans not only costs six hundred more than a stickshifter but it also (at least in california) has an additional $1300 tarriff for failing to meet emmissions regulations. And I really don't trust automatic transmission, especially from mopar. But other than that, yeah, those new Hemis are fucking sick. Fast as all hell, and quiet, too. If they were slap a more conservative shell on it, they would totally rape Ford by displacing the crown vic. I think they've pretty much filled the void left by chevy's discontinuation of its full-size RWD platforms in the mid-90's.

But anyway, here's a couple of nice pics I found:


I could totally see myself on this thing. I mean, it has about 50% more power than the harleys (though oddly, only about 1 second advantage in the quarter mile compared to a V-Rod), way better looks, and comes in at about the same price.

And I gotta say, this one also caught my eye, but the nearly $30,000 price tag is completely unreasonable.

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posted 05-15-2005 06:42 PM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
lol, that thing's a beast!

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posted 05-15-2005 10:24 PM     Profile for RoGuEBiTcH   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That thing is anything but a "beginners bike." I'm not saying you couldn't handle it..unless you've never ridden a bike before. I'd suggest buddying up with someone who owns a 750 or something, and learning on that. Otherwise, you might as well make an appointment with the tar and a telephone pole now

Another point..the VMAX didn't change for like 10 years. You could pick up an older one for cheap money, and have practically the same bike they sold 2 years ago. Great bike, insanely fast, and lots of mod potential.

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posted 05-16-2005 01:09 AM     Profile for WillyTrombone   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The VMAX is actually very close in performance to the Triumph. It's actually faster sometimes. If the Rocket 3 would be too much bike, the VMAX certainly would be as well. One of the main things going against the VMAX in my opinion is that after lookig at pictures, the riding position looks like it would be terrible for me. It's very upright, and the bike is narrow, with the feet pretty much below the shoulders. I don't think it would suit me well. If I were to go for less engine on a cruiser, espeically if it's an Asian bike, I would probably look more toward the Kawasaki Vulcan line.

But as for having too much bike bike for my level of experience (none), well, I had only been driving and had my license for about month when I took up the Nova, for whatever that's worth. I mean, I learned quickly how to deal with a large excess of power. (probably around 320-330 horse at the wheels and as much 350-360 ft lbs)

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posted 05-16-2005 08:19 AM     Profile for RoGuEBiTcH   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I wasn't suggesting hopping on a VMAX without any experience, either. You need to ride something smaller first, or you will have a serious accident. Bike acceleration is like no car your or I could ever afford. You're talking 0-60 in less than 4, 0-100 in less than 6. When you want to stop a car, you mash the brake pedal into the floor. You can't do that on a bike, or you're falling down. Besides that, it's not just the power. It's the weight, the balance, cornering, countersteering, the weight transfer under braking, learning the differences of handling a bike in trafic vs a car..

Hey, don't take my word for it. I work at a dealership and sell oversized bikes to heros all day long. I also buy them back after they lay them down or scare themselves shitless and want out.

Willy, as a friend, I'm asking you to swallow a little pride and learn how to ride first. You might not even get hurt, but you'd probably trash your sweet ride. I'd be less concerned if you were looking at an H-D ..they hardly move. But a Japanese or European drag bike is a different story.

That said, having ridden a VMAX, I can tell you it's not a narrow machine. The massive V-4 keeps your toes turned outward when you're sitting on it. It's a large bike, meant for large guys. But once you know how to ride, the VMAX is actually somewhat maneuverable and fun to flick around. I don't think you appreciate how disgustingly massive that Triumph is. I suggest sitting on one, and getting a feel for the 750lbs of accident-waiting-to-happen. You might start to think 'holy shit, maybe I could look at something a little smaller.'

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posted 05-16-2005 12:44 PM     Profile for burble   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
i was going to ask if you'd considered a honda VTX, as they're a lot more affordable and still pretty bitchin' bikes, but i didn't know you'd never ridden before, willy.

i agree with RB. any serious rider will tell you you need to start on something smaller. hell, most will recommend against 600cc sportbikes for beginners, let alone a gigantic 1800cc+ cruiser.

i'm planning on picking a bike up next fall, and since the only experience i have is a few outings on ATV's and dirtbikes, i'm looking at a small 500cc sportbike, or something thereabouts. will i drop my first bike? i donno, but i'd rather not find out with a 20k V-rod or something.


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posted 05-16-2005 03:10 PM     Profile for WillyTrombone   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The thing to remember about me, though, is that I'm almost 6'6 and probably never going to weigh less than 300 pounds. At my current weight, I couldn't even take a passenger without exceeding the mean gross weight ratings of most bikes. Hell, I exceed it alone for a lot of them.

But I suppose that I should have been more clear before. I meant to pose the question of what a good cruiser would be. I probably will buy a used one to ride for 5 or 6 months before shelling out over 15 grand for a new one. Something like a Kawasaki Vulcan or HD Sportster would have a decent price for entry and I wouldn't have to be too worried about dumping it. Anyone know anything specifically about cruisers? What I want to know is what's out there, what's suitable for a person my size, and what would be good to learn on. I figure I'll eventually hit some dealerships to see for myself, but I trust the opinions here for more than what I'd get anywhere that's trying to sell something. And of course, within the next months, I fully intend to move on to a more powerful and more distinct ride, like the supercruisers I was drooling over earlier.

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You'd look rediculous on a Sportster. They're *tiny*. It'd barely move with you on it, too. Picture Jim Carrey in Dumb & Dumber. H-D's are inefficient, underpowered, and, if you haven't noticed, overpriced. Theyre also really uncomfortable, particularly if you're riding more than 20 miles here-and-there.

As you are a giant, I'd really persue the 'friend with a smaller bike' route to get your feet wet. You're in a difficult position where you won't be happy with a medium-weight bike, because of your size, once you learn how to ride. For that reason, I'd really try to /borrow/ for a couple months, and then buy whatever you really want.

If you can't go that route, a VTX 1300 would be a great fit and probably not too intimidating/dangerous for a first bike. I bet you'd be happy with one for at least a couple years. They're priced very competitively, as well.

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posted 05-16-2005 04:04 PM     Profile for RoGuEBiTcH   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
And if you're looking for a sweet deal, I'll sell you an '01 929. 20K mi, adult owned, well maintained, never wheelied, stoppied, crashed, flipped, raced, or left out in the snow.

Oh wait, it's been through all those things.. I actually laid it down once in a snowy parkinglot.

$4500/bo

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posted 05-16-2005 10:00 PM     Profile for WillyTrombone   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That's not a cruiser. I'm not really interested in the race bike. I want something I sit back in, not lay on top of. (but I gotta say that was a really nice piece of subtle humor. I'm impressed.)

I'll just start going ot dealers and sitting on a few bikes and seeing what feels right. And I'll get into a training course, too. I'm sure there'll be millions of them in Orange County.

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posted 05-17-2005 12:14 AM     Profile for RoGuEBiTcH   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yea, those classes sometimes fill up quick this time of year, tho! Hey, and for all she's been through, that 929 still purs like a kitten when I wring her little kneck, and shines up pretty good, too. Poor thing's been spanked..

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